29 March 2009

Rock N Roll Kings

So Ken's John Brannon/Laughing Hyenas post got me thinking about the biggest names in underground rock n roll from the 80's to today. Or, as I like to call this period, "my time." Below are my results (IN a particular order). Note that to make the list you had to be unreal great for a sustained period of time (although later you could suck), not too popular (hence no Billy Joe, Kurt Cobain, etc) and what I loosely define as A GAME CHANGER.

1. Paul Westerberg (early to mid Replacements era). The best lyricist of the group, wonderful songwriting, surprisingly good guitarist. Westerberg captured the awkward years of your late teens and early twenties, while transforming the furious energy of hardcore into some unforgettable melodies. Granted, the Replacements are now pretty well known, but it's not like KFOG ever played Tommy Gets His Tonsils Out.

2. Greg Cartwright (Oblivians, Compulsive Gamblers, Reigning Sound). May pass Westerberg, might have already. While Cartwright started out as a beer soaked blues punker, his music later became, dare I say it, roots rock? Well at least more traditional, which in his case didn't equate with boring.

3. Kim Salmon (Scientists, Beasts of Bourbon, Kim Salmon and the Surrealists). Dark, hard- hitting stuff whose musical touchstones included Hank Williams, 60's garage groups and, of course, The Stones. Lyrically, Salmon is transfixed by all of the upbeat stuff in life like U.S. trailer parks, Elvis impersonators, and junkie girlfriends. Don't bring this music home to mom.

4. Mick Collins (Gories, Andre Williams' Silky album, Dirtbombs). Granted, his songwriting can be more than suspect at times, but you could easily make a mix with 20 great tunes of his. And it’s nice to hear a brother's voice for a change. Collins brought some much needed soul and vocal talent to the underground.

5. J Mascis (Dinosaur Jr. through Bug). A first class asshole by most accounts, but You're Living all Over Me and Bug are the purest of sugar sweet highs. It's no accident they covered Frampton.

6. The Hunches (the whole freakin band and all of their records). I know nothing about these guys individually and long periods of time go by between plays. But I'm always amazed at how good this band is. Noisy as all hell, but beautiful hooks and musicianship. I suppose you could say The Hyenas started this sound, and you're right. But I just think consistently The Hunches write better songs.

7. Bob Mould (Husker Du up to but not including Candy Apple Grey). Sort of a deconstructionist in terms of the early Husker stuff who gave Ginn a run for the money in terms of aggression. A recent listen revealed them to be more punk (and great) than I remembered. Listen to that live album. The Du just burn through their set like the most possessed of queers.

8. Jay Reatard (The Reatards and solo). The youngest guy here, but his zeal may propel him to the near top of this list in the future. The most recent collection of 45's is just chock full of great tunes. New wavy, but with guitars and a keen sense of melody.

9. Greg Ginn (early Black Flag). Destructo guitar architect for LA's darkest musical moments. Ginn was the most innovative guitarist of the 80's and with Chavo equated to just a beast of a band.

10. Jon Spencer (Pussy Galore, early JSBX). Yeah, I know he became an annoying clown, but the early stuff was pretty ingenious and gasp! He actually had a live schtick and put on a show. An early warped, fun sense of the blues and showmanship are what landed him here.

The on deck circle....The Black Lips, and..... The Jonas Brothers.

Let the brawling begin. But you gotta list your own if you object..

15 comments:

sonny house said...

Greg Ginn made the underground- the rest of these guys wouldn't be here without him.

Kick Spencer and Mascis and Mould off (Grant Hart was too important to that band- see Mould's solo work), and give me Dexter Romweber, John Terlesky (Brother JT) and Lux Interior. Oh, and John Brannon over Jay Reatard. My goodness. This is just silly. Oh wait, Fred Cole kicks out The Hunches.

And what, no Ian Mackaye?

bruce said...

i'd second the fred cole, and is it possible that jeffrey evans knocks out two of your heavy hitters(spencer and cartwright)?

Tuna said...

First, I associate Lux with CBGBs era 70s p-rock. However, a closer look reveals the Cramps records actually started appearing in the 80s. So yeah, he's in there and I'll take out Spencer for him. Both were showman, Lux was clearly superior, though.

As far as Sonny's other picks...JT and Coles, I don't know either of them enough to have an opinion. Which is a good thing. Now I've got some stuff to check out.

Here's where you're going to hate me. Dexter Romweber doesnt make my list. I like his stuff, he's a hell of a performer, but he isnt a pioneer or someone who counts as a game changer IMHO.

The Hyenas were great, but I'm not sure they lasted long enough at peak power on record to count. The Hunches are just better for a longer period of time.

I really liked Minor Threat, and without a doubt Ian McKaye was a game changer. But he's not as big for me as some of these other names. Fugazi actually hurt his chances for making my list. During the 90s Fugazi always struck me as sort of a Greatful Dead for indie rock. Can't explain why except their crowds had that sort of communal vibe to them.

And you know how I hate people.

Don't know Jeffrey Evans real well. I will check him out. Again, this is what I was hoping to get out of this.

Others who are worth mentioning as coming close are Rick Sims (The Didjits) and Jeffrey Lee Pierce (The Gun Club).

Tell me the names of the Brother JT, Fred Coles and Jeffrey Evans albuns I should check out.

Anonymous said...

I was joking about Ian Mackaye.

Fred Cole is in Dead Moon (and also The Lollipop Shoppe, The Rats, The Weeds, etc.), which is a band I do believe you would love.

Dexter is a personal fave- he just moves me more than almost anybody else. I ain't arguing or hatin' about folks not digging him the way I do.

JT is another personal favorite- I think the first Original Sins record is a drop-dead classic, and many of the others are terrific. I love Brother JT records more than most other people, so I ain't gonna argue here either. I'll cook up a list for you later. I'm taking this fucking class and grading papers and I've been sitting in front of this computer since 6 this morning.

By the way, the Hyenas made more records than The Hunches, and Brannon was also in Negative Approach and now fronts Easy Action. I love The Hunches so I ain't arguing, but facts is facts.

My back hurts...

Tuna said...

the Hyenas may have made more records, but not as many good records as the hunches.

When you have a moment can you tell me the names of the Brother JT and Dead Moon records to buy? I'm short on time and want to avoid that "oh, actually there other record is better" thing.

This conversation has really intrigued me. Usually discussions about musicians focus on well known types from 50s-70s era. I haven't thought about musicians of my time within this sort of debate or context. In many cases I haven't even known the names of these people, just the bands. I think a book with an accompanying CD ought to be published. Kenneth, get on it!

sonny house said...

by the way, The Hunches' singles are amazing. I can burn you a copy of a bunch of them if you're interested

bruce said...

jeffrey evans was gibson bros and '68 comeback

bruce said...

oh yeah, detailed twang has a bunch of gibson bros posted

Tuna said...

I'd love a Hunches singles CD. Thanks.

Thanks, Bruce. Are you Bruce Shindin from UCSB?

bruce said...

nope, i'm in memphis

Tuna said...

I love Memphis. Best BBQ I ever had was at Cozy Corner and Gus' fried chicken is outta sight.

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